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Vesicant Lemur
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Nick suggested I start a thread about something I like and to maybe spark some debates. However, I don't want things to devolve too quickly into a flame war or circle jerk, so I'm testing the waters with a quick questionnaire about your political leanings.


1. What political label do you identify yourself with? (Conservative, Liberal, Communist, Fascist, Anarchist, etc...)

2. What issue is most important to you?

3. If you were given complete control over the country, what would you do? (This can be as long or short, serious or light-hearted as you want)

4. (Optional) Take the test here and post your results.


I'll start:

1. Liberal (or, if I'm feeling particularly saucy, Libertarian Socialist)

2. Drug Legalization

3. Dismantle the Federal Reserve (a private bank), return money printing rights to the government, legalize drugs and prostitution and promptly run the country into the ground in a bout of hedonism.

4.

Economic Left/Right: -6.62

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

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March 22, 2011 at 2:10 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Crimson DESTR0YA
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1. i identify myself under no label. at the same time, i have strong and in some cases polarizing views on various political/social issues. i believe that once you apply a label to yourself, you risk the prospect of being brainwashed by said label and believing in things you don't actually believe in, but rather become expected to believe in because of your label.

2. education. i think the system is a cancer that is being spread at the core of our society through the education system. there is NOTHING that is not wrong with American education. redo EVERYTHING.

3. i don't know if this is even possible, but i'd do all i could to completely destroy the American System. i have grown to greatly resent my culture and my society and if i could, i would throw it all away and start from scratch.

4. this was a real eye-opener for me:

Economic Left/Right: -1.62

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

i think this fairly well represents my political aura as a whole; fairly moderate regarding economic issues, way out there in social issues. unlike most, um... revolutionaries, if you will... i don't blame the government for everything. don't get me wrong, i certainly don't hold much respect or liking for them, and yes, i do believe they're ultimately out to get me and you, too. but i believe that the problems in our government are more of a reflection of the problems in our society. fix that, fix many of the fundamental views and expectations that us self-centered, bloodlusting, greedy Americans hold near and dear to our hearts, and i think you'd be amazed how many of our economic woes would start to disappear as well.

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March 22, 2011 at 12:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Vesicant Lemur
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I agree about the label thing, I just use it as a convenient short-hand when the topic is brought up, instead of trying to explain my position on every issue. Every once in a while, I'll open up the wiki page on either of the two labels I use and read them, just to remind myself I don't agree 100% with them.

Most of us (I think) having experienced Cabot High School first-hand, I believe education is something we can all agree on. Whether they do it on purpose or not, our broken education system is the centeral cause of many of today's problems.

Not sure any governmental powers would allow you to hard reset society, but you could reshape it through TV, radio and music. Get rid of the media monopolies, allow providers of alternate content to show their stuff. It'd be a slow change, people love their American Idol and Jersey Shore, but you might be able to change the majority eventually.

The government isn't to blame for all our problems, but someone is...

<tinfoil hat> The Banks! While most, if not all, of our social promblems could be fixed with a change of culture, a true solution to our economic problems, I believe, requires a rebuilding of the banking and monetary system. Currently, the only way more money is made is by the Federal Reserve giving loans to other banks, which they then give to businesses and people as loans. Our money is debt to the Federal Reserve Bank, a private bank. The issuance of all our currency is under the control of a non-government entity. That's fucked up. </tinfoil hat>

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March 22, 2011 at 1:09 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Crimson DESTR0YA
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Cabot High School was a completely different animal. i think that's an example of worst-case scenario for how a public school can be. they're so highly regarded in the state because they have money, but they manage it in absolutely asinine ways. the people in charge of that institution don't have the competency to manage Sim City, much less an IRL school district.

my complaints about American education are much more fundamentally based, i'm afraid, and i'm confidant they aren't just the result of the admittedly miserable experience i had with my school. schools focus in on the wrong things these days. and No Child Left Behind only managed to push us back a few decades. now more than ever, schools don't teach kids information, they teach them how to pass tests. this plus the way schools are structured on a social level only promote ways to beat various systems created by the school system itself. it is for this reason that i feel American schools only hinder personal development.

college is slightly better in that many of these systems are gone. i'm in my fourth semester and i'm amazed by how much more i've learned in my short time here than in all 12 years of mandatory education combined. but even these institutions are just too damned expensive. the entire system is just bad. i've never managed to fully process a solution to this problem either; i always find myself drowning in the endless sea of problems to even begin to sort through them.


i know no one person will ever revolutionize society like that. but man... it's fun to dream. you hit the nail on the head though; the mainstream media, more than anything else, is responsible for spreading the plague of stupidity throughout the masses.


i agree with everything you said about the banks, although i'm starting to see where the two of us differ; i'm almost exclusively focused on the social aspect of politics, whereas you seem to care more about the tangible economic and legal issues.

together... we could probably take over America.

...

if only.

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March 22, 2011 at 3:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Cecil-Jacobs
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I'm going to forward this by sayint that, although I am not afraid of Political and Social conversation, I often do not talk it. So some words are going to be very foreign to me, and you'll have to forgive me asking. That said, Census Go!

1: Moderate or Libral (Unless you can be both, which I would like best.)
2:Several things occupy my thoughts, Free Marketing, Coporate Controlling and Mass Media Controlling... yeah I'll leave it there for now.
3: Just the Country? The first thing I would do is dismantle our Nuclear arms and plead with other Countries to do the same. The one thing I cannot abide by is how rational human beings can let objects like that still excist, I don't care if you claim them under Defensive or Offensive purposes, Nukes HAVE to go.
4: This puts me around Gandhi apparently, which in a way makes good sense to me. Also it seems to make me on the same path as you guys lol. I'm not sucking up, promise.
Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85


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March 22, 2011 at 10:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Crimson DESTR0YA
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excellent point on the nukes, sir. i'm not sure if the majority of people realize how dangerously close we are to total world annihilation.

Kim Jong Il, for example, scares the shit out of me.

however, i cannot condone the dismantling of our nuclear weapons without KNOWING that all other nations will do the same (ideally, without knowing that they have already done the same). that's like throwing down your gun in a room where 10 other men have theirs pointed at you. all power = gone. but i don't think that's what you were literally saying we should do, either.

having said all that... i still don't think it's a good idea. in a vacuum, yes, everyone would get rid of the nukes and the world would be safer. but all it would take is one Kim Jong Il to lie about dismantling his weapons, then all of a sudden we've got a country threatening to take over the world or blow it all to hell.

pragmatically speaking, nukes are here and here they shall remain until someone uses them to destroy the world. isn't life wonderful?

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March 23, 2011 at 12:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Cecil-Jacobs
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That isn't my point at all. Nukes need to be dismantled whether we have Kim Jong Il or not, of course I wouldn't demilitarize our nules without promises from other nations first, but I wouldn't be afraid to start the process so that others would do the same. Ideally I would rid the world of them, but I doubt any nation will ever completely disarm themselves like that. 

Something needs to be done about getting nations to understand how destructive these things are, how you aren't just using them to crush your enemies, you are using them to crush yourself and your children ect.

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March 23, 2011 at 3:48 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mitsuo-Dexl
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1.  I identify myself the closest with liberal, though, as always, I am not 100% liberal.  Though there is very little about my views that aren't liberal...haha


2.  Equality.  I despise inequality of all kinds, save the kind that comes from hard work and dedication.  I believe it is fundamentally wrong for a political system, social system, ANYTHING to discriminate against someone because of what they have in their pants, the color of their skin, who they like to fuck, what religion they follow, and whether or not they have money.


And I'm not gonna lie, this branches into a whole slew of different subject.


3.  The first thing I would do is about as fundamentally wrong to me as is the issue it solves...I would brainwash everyone to view everyone else as equals...unless a person proves they are superior in some aspect, such as Person A runs faster then Person B, and so on, but even then, only view them as superior in that aspect alone.


4.

Economic Left/Right: -3.38

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28


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March 23, 2011 at 9:14 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Vesicant Lemur
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I really think we could safely dismantle our enitre nuclear arsenal and still be safe. No first world country in their right mind is going to nuke another first world country, or any country for that matter. The international response would be fierce.

 

 

You'd never really have to worry about Small rogue states like North Korea, or even Iran. They'd never be able to build a functional delivery vehicle (ICBM) and if they did, we have an entire detection network and several layers of protection in place for just such an occasion.

 

 

If we were attacked by a rogue state, we have military hardware out the ass all over the world to retaliate with.

 

 

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March 23, 2011 at 9:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Crimson DESTR0YA
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all those are very solid reasons, but sorry... there's just no way i would do that if i were in power.

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March 23, 2011 at 9:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Vesicant Lemur
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@Mitsuo: It's an interesting thing, when you really start looking at running a country, some of the things you'd be apalled by if you were a citizen look like pretty good ideas when you're the dictator. You gave a pretty good example of that with your response to question 3.


Another example: I absolutely HATE surveillance, but if I were in complete control of government agents, with the promise that my every order would be carried out to the letter, I'd have cameras everywhere. Now granted, if I were in such a position, the only people who'd have reason to worry would be thieves, rapists and murders, since those are about the only things that would be illegal, at least on the level of individual citizens

I (as a citizen) would still hate myself (as a dictator) and would be doing everything I could to get rid of it.

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March 23, 2011 at 10:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mitsuo-Dexl
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That is pretty much why I tend to avoid discussions of political practices or political wrong doings, because I am aware that even though the President or whoever issued such a law that I disagree with, it is likely he disagrees with it too but knows it is the only way to solve some issue.



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March 24, 2011 at 2:29 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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